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kossnocorp said 7 months ago:

Yesterday Paul Graham asked for an email diary service (https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1216714155731890176):

> Is there an easy way to build, or a startup that offers, something that will email you once a day asking "What's happening?" and then accumulate the replies?

I did just that! Let me know what you think.

alfonsodev said 7 months ago:

He also wrote

> Unfortunately, though, in this one case I can't promise that if you build it, I'll use it. Unless I know you, I can't trust that you won't read my emails. (I trusted the previous startup that did it because we'd funded them.)

How do you solve the "won't read my emails" problem ?

I've seen the statement in your website:

> Your data stored and transferred securely. No one will ever read or process your notes even the staff. Your data belongs to you and can be easily exported in preferable format by request.

But once the data leaves the browser there is no way to know, wouldn't you consider to partner with Gmail(or others) and appear as an addon to an already trusted company in order to start off the business ?

Alex3917 said 7 months ago:

> How do you solve the "won't read my emails" problem ?

99% of the people who tell you they wouldn’t use the product unless it can’t read your email wouldn’t actually use it regardless, and are just asking for things they don’t really have any intention of using.

edit: I just wanted to add I think it's kind of a dick move on pg's part to ask someone to build this when there are like four different versions that already exist. If you like those products then you should promote them, and if you don't like them then you should email the creators with feedback. Asking folks to build additional competing products without doing that first is poor form, as is asking people to build stuff that you don't actually care enough about to Google to see if it already exists. I don't mean to pick on pg specifically, I just see this kind of behavior on Twitter (and HN) all the time, often from startup investors, and I think it deserves to be called out.

nemosaltat said 7 months ago:

Working for a manufacturing company this is of my biggest pet peeves. Our Salesforce (and customers) insist that they _would/could_ sell (or buy) our product if only it had feature x. In my experience, most of those people aren’t really interested to sell (or buy) the product regardless of feature set.

keanzu said 7 months ago:

Contingent Purchase Order : You put in a purchase order and we'll build feature x.

Separate the wheat from the chaff.

jakobegger said 7 months ago:

I think this is how a lot of enterprise software is sold. Potential customer says "it's missing x", sales person says "we'll build x in two weeks", product is sold, devs have to figure out how to build x in two weeks.

That probably doesn't work for physical products.

Wowfunhappy said 7 months ago:

Are you going to build it instantly?

If not, what happens if someone else releases a superior product in the interim? Or my business needs change?

keanzu said 7 months ago:

Both excellent questions. Oddly the tire kicker never says "If you build X then I'll buy it .. unless my needs change or someone else releases a superior product". Requesting a purchase order casts the situation in the cold light of day.

cthor said 7 months ago:

> If not, what happens if someone else releases a superior product in the interim?

They'll get your business.

> Or my business needs change?

I didn't waste my time building you a feature you won't pay for.

rattray said 7 months ago:

How do you know pg didn't do that already?

joshdance said 7 months ago:

what are the four versions that already exist?

said 7 months ago:
obiefernandez said 7 months ago:

My site https://Ahhlife.com is one of them

floatingatoll said 7 months ago:

> How do you solve the "won't read my emails" problem?

Have the user generate a device-local SMIME certificate for <diary@wherever.com>, register their certificate's public key with the server, have the server generate a mobileconfig that enforces SMIME when emailing anyone, and then in Mail.app change the From: address to <diary@wherever.com> when emailing the diary address. iOS will remember that From change and use SMIME to encrypt all diary messages to the public key in your keychain (which the server can't decrypt), the server can reroute the incoming mail back to you using your private key, and your device-local key is the only one capable of decrypting.

Since you're using SMIME, you'll need to use IMAP for your data store, which provides perfect compatibility to any platform that can do SMIME key generation. I'm very curious if SMIME-encrypted emails can be used as encrypted Notes on iOS, now that Notes supports IMAP accounts :)

baby said 7 months ago:

Hey! S/MIME is broken (see eFAIL) and I don’t believe there exist any mitigation’s to the attacks that have been published.

tl;dr: there exist ways to read your emails without knowing the private keys.

floatingatoll said 7 months ago:

eFAIL documents a series of client implementation errors in a 2018 paper that allow attackers to exfiltrate plaintext by emailing you your own encrypted messages with an attacker payload.

Diary site implementations will need to carefully evaluate whether this is relevant to them or to their users, who may well have been fine emailing plaintext to begin with (if you want an encrypted diary, you probably aren’t going to use email to write in it), before they assume that it’s a concern and begin testing email clients.

baby said 7 months ago:

IIRC this is true for PGP but not for S/MIME which was broken at the protocol level.

busngklaznm said 7 months ago:

Do you know what eFAIL is?

tl;dr; there needs to be javascript in the mail and that must abuse the MUA. If you don't send JS exploit for your own MUA, you are in no danger...

baby has an Imposter Syndrome

Angostura said 7 months ago:

According to PG's Tweet, it seems quite simple - just fund them.

netsharc said 7 months ago:

Haha, clever way to get PGs funding...

birdyrooster said 7 months ago:

Almost like VC extracts rent from their investments while minimizing any risk they are exposed to.

zaptheimpaler said 7 months ago:

Do you do anything different in your own 401k?

kossnocorp said 7 months ago:

I addressed it in a comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22045670

> But once the data leaves the browser there is no way to know, wouldn't you consider to partner with Gmail(or others) and appear as an addon to an already trusted company in order to start off the business ?

Also, I understand the concern and that Paul most likely will not trust their secrets to anyone. The problem is that's not a business, but a beautiful hobby project that I honestly love, so it's unlikely that I will ever spend time rewriting it and then paying Google $15K (https://www.gmass.co/blog/google-oauth-verification-security...) so they could vet me.

newzombie said 7 months ago:

An idea would be to open source it and make it simple to run an instance.

bob1122 said 7 months ago:


I respect if it's not what you're looking for but you may be able leverage yourself into a good position (with the community and with PG) as a result of the publicity + traction combo.

Great work getting that ball rolling so quickly!

mirimir said 7 months ago:

> I addressed it in a comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22045670

As I read that, users must trust you. There's nothing that would actually prevent you from accessing the data.

So it's arguably misleading to call it a "private diary".

ViViDboarder said 7 months ago:

I disagree. I believe that it’s more common for “private” to mean “between you and the company”. Eg. Private accounts on other services, or private information associated with your account.

mirimir said 7 months ago:

You certainly have a point about "private". As you say, with a service provider. Or with family, friends and associates.

But none of that is relevant for "private diary". There, it's privacy between you and your diary.

ViViDboarder said 7 months ago:

Plenty of people had “private” LiveJournal accounts back in the day with no expectation that it was a zero-knowledge system. Just that they weren’t sharing it. I may not be a good indication of “most people”, but I just don’t think that most people think of privacy in the way that we (folks who know details of encryption and metadata leaks) do.

mirimir said 7 months ago:

Fair enough.

But that's the problem, isn't it? I mean, many people do (sort of magically) think that their online stuff is private. And then they get pwned in one way or another.

j45 said 7 months ago:

This service could run just fine on one or two VPS’ on DigialOcean, etc. Zero knowledge encryption could help secure the content too, it there is ultimately trust needed.

alfonsodev said 7 months ago:

thanks for sharing that article about the verification process, I wasn't aware of that situation.

kossnocorp said 7 months ago:

You're welcome. Yeah, things got ugly.

maccaw said 7 months ago:

I've written an open-source version you can host yourself on Heroku:


davchana said 7 months ago:

I too scripted a Google Script to run daily, with sending me a reminder or question; & Gmail tags that outgoing mail as a specific label; script pulls that labeled mail every day, archives it, appends the contents to a Google Doc.

desireco42 said 7 months ago:

Thank you.

Once for making this.

Second time for making it genuinely easy to use and setup myself.

masukomi said 7 months ago:

very nice @maccaw

unlike "Diary Email" your readme makes it very clear where the emails go, and since I'd host it I know no-one would read it.

slim said 7 months ago:

err.. You know that emails transit un clear text, right?

franga2000 said 7 months ago:

Not if the server admins of both sides are even remotely competent. A good "email server" will at least allow, if not enforce encryption client<->server and (if supported by the other party) server<->recipients_server.

mavhc said 7 months ago:

I've enforced TLS when sending email for about a year now with few problems

kingnothing said 7 months ago:

> How do you solve the "won't read my emails" problem ?

Encrypt it before sending.

ekianjo said 7 months ago:

How do your friends read it then?

reaperducer said 7 months ago:

How do your friends read it then?

Isn't the point of a diary that nobody can read it but you? That's why they have locks on them.

If you want a diary that other people can read, that's called a blog.

mvanbaak said 7 months ago:

This has been solved for a very long time already. It's called PGP.

dredmorbius said 7 months ago:

PGP and friends are, in practice, mutually exclusive.

akoncius said 7 months ago:

if you want to let friends know what is going on you just simply send email/IM/SMS

Carpetsmoker said 7 months ago:

To paraphrase jwz: "Some people, when confronted with a problem, think 'I know, I'll use PGP.' Now they have two problems."

More seriously, PGP is really hard. I think it has some potential for signing emails from your bank, Amazon, etc. but other than that ... it's just a pain. I'm not a crypto expert but a reasonably skilled IT professional, and even I struggle with it.

andy_ppp said 7 months ago:

Yes, the message is encrypted with a key, you only get access to this key by decrypting it with your private key. Everyone on the email has the key for the message encrypted with their public key. Hence the privacy is not perfect but pretty good.

ekianjo said 7 months ago:

Good luck convincing non technical users.

wizzwizz4 said 7 months ago:

Encrypt it with a symmetric key, and then encrypt the symmetric key separately with each of your friends' public keys.

topmonk said 7 months ago:

But then if just one of your friend's private key is stolen, you lose control of everything you wrote, past or present.

wizzwizz4 said 7 months ago:

Well, yeah. That's what sharing the things you've written with them is.

topmonk said 7 months ago:

Well, there are algorithms that support perfect forward security.... but nah

wizzwizz4 said 7 months ago:

This is a good argument for not rolling your own.

dunefox said 7 months ago:

By giving them the key?

ekianjo said 7 months ago:

Right. Have you tried doing that?

giarc said 7 months ago:

Remember KISS. He wants a Gmail add-on? Keep it even simpler.

Create a filter that applies a "Journal" label to emails from your own address. Then create a filter to have it skip your inbox. Whenever you want to view your journal, just search for archived mail with that label.

boksiora said 7 months ago:


throwaway_tech said 7 months ago:

Yeah nothing like a VC stating the only way he would/could trust and use a product is if they were an investor in the product.

spookthesunset said 7 months ago:

> How do you solve the "won't read my emails" problem ?

Nobody but a handful of very vocal HN posters care about this. In the marketplace this isn’t a problem.

At the end of the day, you have to trust your data in somebody else’s hands. Unless your print your own circuit boards, make your own CPUs and write your own operating system, you cannot escape trusting a third party.

Carpetsmoker said 7 months ago:

It's not a completely unreasonable concern though; all of the big tech companies have had problems with employees misusing their access to private communications to snoop on people.

When my mother worked at the local government she (illegally, and unethically) accessed the file of a friend, and learned that a friend lied about the reason she's in a wheelchair, the real reason being somewhat embarrassing. She told all mutual friends about it too and caused big drama (she's a toxic person). This was over 20 years ago btw, privacy problems aren't new (just the scale of it has changed).

In the Netherlands we have a municipal database with data for all citizens. Civil servants legitimately access it in the course of their duties, but names for famous Dutch people have many more hits than regular ones. I think especially for high-profile(ish) people like Paul, it might be more of a concern than you or me.

I'm not paranoid about it, but I do think there's room for improvement.

vannevar said 7 months ago:

Since when is Google a "trusted company" when it comes to user-generated content? Their business model is literally to gather as much data as possible from their users in order to manipulate their collective behavior to Google's financial benefit.

j45 said 7 months ago:

There’s several ways to encrypt he content for the owner, including zero knowledge. Complications and risks as a result.

OrgNet said 7 months ago:

> How do you solve the "won't read my emails" problem ?

true end-to-end encryption is the only way?

b5n said 7 months ago:

> How do you solve the "won't read my emails" problem ?

Just encrypt locally before sending.

cipherzero said 7 months ago:

How about just open source and allow self hosting...

kossnocorp said 7 months ago:

Maybe someday, but it's a lot of work and not much of a return.

hiccuphippo said 7 months ago:

Put the servers in Europe so the company gets to comply with the GDPR.

kossnocorp said 7 months ago:

My company is actually in Europe, so I do comply with the GDPR.

gpickett00 said 7 months ago:

I love that someone followed through and got it done. I bet a lot of people thought about it. I bet that there's even someone seeing this right now pissed off that they didn't finish first.

Great design. Where'd you get your little illustrations?

kossnocorp said 7 months ago:

Thank you a lot, I got the illustrations on https://craftwork.design

misiti3780 said 7 months ago:

I have never heard of that service (looks pretty interesting actually), but at the bottom it says trust by Uber, Pinterest, Google, etc.

Does this mean these companies are outsourcing their graphics, mock ups, etc.?

kossnocorp said 7 months ago:

I don't know that, but I would assume that just someone with @google.com or @uber.com signed up at the service ;-)

ska said 7 months ago:

Usually it has to be a little bit more than that (but not much) and part of a contract. If you just start adding corporate logos to your site you'll end up talking to lawyers eventually - at least if you have any sort of traction.

On the other hand "Used by X" can mean anything from "X uses us as a core part of their workflows" and "A small team at X uses this sometimes". So don't give it much weight.

projektfu said 7 months ago:

An intern at Google used it in a slideshow once... Used by Google!

1123581321 said 7 months ago:

It (maybe) means someone with one of those email addresses signed up once, or might have used an asset on an internal blog or something. It can mean more but that’s typical for SaaS bragging.

jkaptur said 7 months ago:

It's common for companies to outsource work that's more of a one-off "project" with a discrete deliverable than a continuously developed "product", whether that work is coding, graphics, or anything else.

For example, even though Salesforce obviously has a lot of talented programmers on the payroll, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Dreamforce conference website is built by a separate firm.

applecrazy said 7 months ago:

Likely not. All these companies have dedicated design teams. I believe it means that they use the asset library within their projects.

misiti3780 said 7 months ago:

that is what i thought also.

the_watcher said 7 months ago:

Yes. When building an internal mock-up, it's often not the best use of FTE designer time, but internal work benefits from professional polish as well. Outsourcing solves this problem.

internadvice said 7 months ago:

alternatively https://undraw.co/illustrations for free

chrismorgan said 7 months ago:

I confess that I look at the first illustration and see a woman frantically trying to dodge a variety of missiles being thrown at her; and she has evidently failed, because her head has blown up and a cloud of smoke is emanating forth in its place.

workthrowaway said 7 months ago:


johnwheeler said 7 months ago:

It looks classy as hell and I think the verbiage on the front page is very strong. There is a back button issue on iOS that needs to be resolved. When you visit the Open Diary link, you can’t get out using the back button. It might be just me. My iPad has been acting wonky lately.

kossnocorp said 7 months ago:

Thanks! I'll take care of the back button. It must be my buggy router code!

johnwheeler said 7 months ago:

Yeah, this thing feels right on so many levels. Use your email client which is optimized for writing. Sign up by sending an email.

rodolphoarruda said 7 months ago:

I was thinking -- this morning -- about this type of proactive system that asks questions to stakeholders in a project; especially about their expectations. This is a killer feature that I have never seen in my 18 years as a PM. PM tools still pose high barriers for adoption, in general, since you have to login, navigate, find elements you are related to, analyze them and then feedback. That's a long path if you are not fully allocated into the project. I think there is a lot of room for "feedback automation" via email in Pm tools.

entrep91 said 7 months ago:

I've spent 3 years iterating on this idea and it was inspired by the product PG mentioned in his tweet.

Any feedback is appreciated!


rodolphoarruda said 7 months ago:

This is it! Thank you! =)

drsozesakamoto said 7 months ago:

Sounds similar to monday.

mc3 said 7 months ago:

It's very polished. I was expecting something much more rougher looking.

vagab0nd said 7 months ago:

You built this in a day? That's very impressive.

kossnocorp said 7 months ago:

Sorry to disappoint you, but I did not. I was just quick to react and reply ;-)

rognjen said 7 months ago:

I just email myself ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

e: Also, I used to use https://750words.com which is quite similar.

mmahemoff said 7 months ago:

I use the Gmail "+" hack to mail myself on different topics.

name+ideas@ for app ideas

name+notes@ for random notes

name+writing@ for article ideas

(edit: formatting)

cgs said 7 months ago:

This is also a fun way to use an email-based coupon multiple times...I have yet to find an instance where this fails validation.

reikonomusha said 7 months ago:

Isn’t that just an email hack?

timlin said 7 months ago:

No, not every email server supports it. For example, I know that Office 365 Exchange doesn't support it as I tried it yesterday.

masukomi said 7 months ago:

that just means Office 365 has a bug in it, not that using that feature is an "email hack"

the plus syntax is part of the email address specification. any server that doesn't support it is by definition buggy because some mail won't work as expected or designed.

Carpetsmoker said 7 months ago:

I don't believe that "a@" and "a+tag@" being treated as the same address is part of any specification, but I could be mistaken about this.

Many mail servers have a setting to configure which character to use; some default (or used to default?) to "-" instead of "+".

lolc said 7 months ago:

I think you're talking about just allowing the symbol. The plus sign is an allowed character in the local part in the spec. But mailservers are not required to treat it specially and apparently Exchange doesn't. That seems to be the thrust of the comment you answered to.

newscracker said 7 months ago:

Tangentially, what's impossible to solve is all the developers out there who build input forms that will not accept an address with a "+" in it and flag it as invalid. They just use a regex that looks for alphabets, numbers, underscores, dots and one @ sign (I've also seen forms that won't accept any TLD other than .com).

pests said 7 months ago:

The @ is a regular email character that Google happens to treat specially. Same with them disregarding the period character.

Retr0spectrum said 7 months ago:

No, it's a gmail-specific "feature". Other mail services may also implement it, I guess.

capableweb said 7 months ago:

Yeah, seems there is enough other services that a RFC (under "Subaddress Extension") has been proposed https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5233 Maybe it'll get enough steam.

Edit: doesn't mean everyone will use it though! But guess the plus sign in addresses would be more "email" than just email.

Spivak said 7 months ago:

It’s nice that they’re trying to standardize it but it’s an impossible standard since you can’t assume that any particular domain adheres to to it so you end up with a whitelist either way.

capableweb said 7 months ago:

I guess you're seeing it from the service owners point of view, and in that case it doesn't really matter no? AFAIK, it's for the owners of the email to use the subaddressing, not for others to magically come up and use subaddressing.

So as long as you, the user and owner of an address, know that your domain supports/not supports it, you can use it.

I don't understand who would have to add any allow/blocklists?

Tomte said 7 months ago:

It is supported by most mail servers, I guess, and at some time nerds all over the world were heavily promoting this scheme.

I know someone who constantly complained that web site X or company Y are stupid, because they don't follow the RFCs, don't know the syntax of mail addresses, because mail validation in web forms often rejected anything with a plus sign.

The correct answer would have been "don't do it then" or maybe "how about configuring your Exim so that instead of '+' you're using '-' as a separator, but I suppose the complaining was a big part of the fun.

polynomial said 7 months ago:

Companies don't follow RFCs, as a rule, bc the only mechanism or means of doing so is if the engineering team implementing the product is aware of the relevant RFCs, and can make a case for following them to the product team. (I.M.Exp.)

There's also a generational memory issue here, and I'm not aware of any C.S./C.E. programs that cover RFCs as part of the core curriculum.

polynomial said 7 months ago:


(viz. not a gmail-specific feature)

projektfu said 7 months ago:

I didn't see where the + had any special significance in RFC822 beyond being part of an atom. foo+a and foo+b could be two different recipients if the server desired.

polynomial said 7 months ago:

fair enough

Carpetsmoker said 7 months ago:

I was using this well before gmail even existed; support is not universal, but it's certainly not a "gmail feature".

ArtWomb said 7 months ago:

>>> I just email myself

Sometimes I don't even press "Send". Just keep pages of daily notes in the "Draft" folder ;)

giancarlostoro said 7 months ago:

This is how I use Sublime Text 3. I use it as my infinite clipboard / pastebin. After months of not using them I clear them out.

penagwin said 7 months ago:

Funny I use sublime the same way. It's my go-to tool for when I need to manipulate text (ctrl+d is a godsend) for copying and pasting.

It's super powerful, but uses few resources compared to vscode/intellij. Not to mention it can handle massive text files like a champ.

giancarlostoro said 7 months ago:

Yeah, I can open my notes up in an instant which is why I use it. I dont use it to dev all the time, but I do enjoy ST. If ST4 becomes a major improvement (LSP?) I may reconsider.

penagwin said 7 months ago:

I tried to develop with it (We use primarily python and typescript) but intellij is just so darn good. It's kinda clunkly for one-off files and text editing though, which is why I prefer sublime for a lot of that stuff.

giancarlostoro said 7 months ago:

Yeah I have a JetBrains subscription too, the editors powerful and I'm accustomed to it.

ilammy said 7 months ago:

I used to do this once, then I’ve lost a couple of days to IMAP. Now I keep a bunch of text files.

kossnocorp said 7 months ago:

It works well too! Too bad is not easy to fetch history.

brootstrap said 7 months ago:

The app is cool man good work! old school boy here made an vi alias to my journal.txt file and have been using it for 5+ years. alias opens the file in edit mode on a newline at the bottom. VI search lets me find whatever i need quickly all from the keyboard!

This whole 'email yourself as diary' seems like overkill to me when you could just write something yourself. Unless you are cool with sharing your diary with 3rd party services. Anyways it's still a cool little thing, just throwin my two cents.

rognjen said 7 months ago:

In Gmail you can search by dates. And for convenience I've a filter for from me to me with journal title.

Stats wouldn't be possible (of the top of my head) but I don't care about that much.

saintPirelli said 7 months ago:

I use `nano YYYYMMDD.md`.

latortuga said 7 months ago:

This used to exist, it was called OhLife. They would email you every day and say "What's happening in your life" and "Hey do you remember this?" with one random email from your history included. I always liked this service and was sad when they shut down. Pretty sure I started using it due to a post right here on HN.

vonnieda said 7 months ago:

I wrote WhoaLife ( https://github.com/vonnieda/WhoaLife ) when OhLife shut down. It's self hosted for privacy and designed for Heroku Free Tier. Takes about 15 minutes and no code to deploy.

I've been using it since OhLife shut down and it completely fills the gap for me.

I recently modernized the code a bit, ported it from Mongo to Postgres and improved the selection of the random entry that is sent to you, but I haven't pushed those changes yet. They'll go out in the next week or so.

seancsnyder said 7 months ago:

I did the same thing, and even called it by the same name...woahlife :-)

vonnieda said 7 months ago:

That's such a strange coincidence! Do you still use it?

masukomi said 7 months ago:

your readme still mentions needing a mongo for scheduling if not on heroku. not sure if that's something that didn't get changed or still true.

Also, for those of us who never used OhLife the readme doesn't really tell me what it does.

vonnieda said 7 months ago:

It still uses Mongo on Heroku for now - the Postgres changes haven't been pushed yet.

And yes, good point on the README not explaining what it does. Thank you. I'll fix that.

Pyrodogg said 7 months ago:

I also used to use Oh Life and loved it. When it shut down I started using DailyDiary [0] which launched an Oh Life importer on Oct 8th, 2014. That's _before_ Oh Life even shut down on Oct 15th, 2014.

I've been continuing to use DailyDiary since.

I have an apps script that automatically adds a draft response to these prompts, which still starts with an "Oh Life, ...." salutation. The script also adds the day's weather report to the bottom of the draft. My todo list has an item to add top and random tracks from my scrobbled music listening for the day.

In the evening I fill in the body of the response with reflections from the day and off it goes.

[0] https://www.dailydiary.com/

lancer said 7 months ago:

I have a feature in the fast track queue that sounds like the "draft response" you're inserting with script. Ping me - I'd love to get your input on that. lance at dailydiary.com.

obiefernandez said 7 months ago:

The OhLife replacement I wrote is called AhhLife and I have maintained it as a personal side project for many years now. https://ahhlife.com

j45 said 7 months ago:

Ahhlife seems pretty capable except it doesn’t seem to handle photo attachments or logins only via gmail.

obiefernandez said 7 months ago:

Any google mail works. I'm thinking maybe replacing the whole login system with email-only authentication like DailyDiary uses.

j45 said 7 months ago:

Sorry, typo - I meant to say email logins weren't possible which you picked up.

Email only authentication would presumably outlive any provider.

I bought into the MyOpenID SSO excitement once, it worked pretty well until it went away. After that, back to email accounts, identity providers like Google/MS/Twitter don't end to know everytime you're logging into your app.

the_watcher said 7 months ago:

The shutdown of OhLife caused the "hole in [his] life" that spurred PG's request.

BooneJS said 7 months ago:

I exported OhLife l and imported entries to Day One. https://github.com/BooneJS/OhLife2DayOne

artfulhippo said 7 months ago:

>Private and Secure

It’s as private as your email...which probably means not private.

Like most people, I depend on an advertising company to host my emails. But I wouldn’t share my private diary with them.

cosmojg said 7 months ago:

Solution: use one of the hundreds of alternatives to Gmail.

eerrt said 7 months ago:

like Protonmail

opmac said 7 months ago:

Which has its own problems but that's another story.

nravic said 7 months ago:

What are Protonmail's problems?

newscracker said 7 months ago:

I'll cite one aspect of its design and implementation as a problem – it doesn't support standard protocols like IMAP unless you choose a paid plan. Even then, you have to use a "bridge application". On mobile, only the official app can access the mailbox. To sum it up, if you're on a free plan on ProtonMail, you cannot export your mails out (unless you do it by "printing" mails one by one). To contrast this, even "free" platforms like Gmail and Yahoo provide IMAP access to all accounts.

Summershard said 7 months ago:

But that's the point of ProtonMail. All your data is invisible to them. If you could use IMAP without a bridge app, which encrypts and decrypts all your mail data locally, guys at Proton could read your mails. Not necessarily because they would want to. That's just how email works.

groovybits said 7 months ago:

I would wager any email provider would suffice for a simply diary, if thats how you want to keep it.

I'm assuming you're speaking to higher-level issues, such as privacy or security?

kossnocorp said 7 months ago:

Right, I didn't think of users' email servers spying on people. But to be fair, there're privacy-focused services, so it's possible.

1stcity3rdcoast said 7 months ago:

Gmail has an autocomplete function which means it’s inherently reading everyone’s email (for training).

Legogris said 7 months ago:

Feature suggestions:

bad_user said 7 months ago:

You can encrypt those emails with PGP, the best encryption there is.

A good email client can also learn to automatically encrypt when you send to a specific email, so you can send to a specific alias (with a plus or subdomain aliasing scheme).

ocdtrekkie said 7 months ago:

But then will your diary service work right with it? Honestly, you should use a mail server that isn't from an ad company. And then if you also want to layer encryption on top, feel free.

(Also, calling PGP "the best encryption there is" might be a bit of hyperbole.)

bad_user said 7 months ago:

I don't use a mail server from an ad company.

And the company's business model is absolutely irrelevant actually. You still need end to end encryption.

> "But then will your diary service work right with it?"

Yes, it's called an email archive. It's searchable too. All you need is an email client that supports PGP. I personally use Mailmate.

And I've got email going back to 2004, while I no longer use any apps or online services from 2004 (most died).

tptacek said 7 months ago:

"The best encryption there is"?

Waterluvian said 7 months ago:

I love that you took the programmer equivalent of a writing cue and ran with it. And I think this is a really cool idea to explore.

I know it's largely a one person experiment and not a real business, but some feedback

> I won't sell your data and will be very personal with you.

This isn't good enough anymore. You need to promise that my data won't ever _ever_ be sold. Especially since you're asking me to share my diary with you. I'm not sure if this kind of promise can be made though. Maybe we need some legal apparatus you can declare that gives me peace of mind that no future owner of your company can change their mind.

oefrha said 7 months ago:

No "promise" will make me share my diary with a stranger, not even a legally enforceable one, unless I self-censor my diary. Honestly not sure why anyone would entrust their diary to some web service, unless they take a nothing-to-hide approach with their diaries.

Although, a web service to share notes with friends is probably okay.

Waterluvian said 7 months ago:

"Diary" usually means personal and private. But it can mean a lot of things. I can imagine cases where people are okay with that. I've managed a personal "diary" that's on Github publically. It's really just a reference of tech stuff I've learned.

oefrha said 7 months ago:

> I've managed a personal "diary" that's on Github publically.

Well that's more of a journal. But yeah, a "diary" service can be used for less private stuff too.

Waterluvian said 7 months ago:

Fair. I've always considered the two to be synonyms.

oefrha said 7 months ago:

I was referring to a non-diary journal (in the general logbook sense), but the difference is murky at best.

kossnocorp said 7 months ago:

Thank you for your feedback and I understand your concern, but I'm not sure how to pull it off. I don't have a fancy lawyer that could customize such thing to me, nor I have a budget for it.

Here're some facts that could help you to find peace of mind. First of all, I operate in the EU, so I can't simply sell your data. Also, it costs me virtually $0 to maintain the service (thanks to Firebase and Mailgun), so I won't be forced to sell out to keep it afloat. At last but not least I use it myself with my close friends so we're in the same boat.

basch said 7 months ago:

Selling the company should count as selling the data unless the data gets scrubbed on company sale.

obiefernandez said 7 months ago:

Hey HN I have exactly this and have maintained it for years as a replacement for OhLife: https://ahhlife.com

Thousands of active users. Very (very) slowly enhancing and monetizing with additional features, but it's far down on my priority list.

the_watcher said 7 months ago:

Have you replied to PG's original tweet? This looks like exactly what he was looking for.

obiefernandez said 7 months ago:

just did, thanks. kicking myself that I didn't think to email him about it sooner.

thepete2 said 7 months ago:

Please don't break the back button. I like my back button.

timvisee said 7 months ago:

Yes! For reference, when clicking "Open Diary" linking to https://diaryemail.com/diary and redirecting when not authenticated breaks my back button.

aerovistae said 7 months ago:

Why doesn't the guy just write a python script to mail himself that prompt everyday? Sometimes I think if Paul Graham tripped he would start wondering if there was a start-up aiming to put an end to uneven ground.

gist said 7 months ago:

Exactly my thought. But further I love when some well off VC (Fred Wilson does this type of thing often) will ask the community for something they could simply pay someone to write that fills 100% the need they have and is tailored toward them specifically with features that they want. Or just hack it together themselves. Much easier generally (for this type of thing) than having to trust and use a product with bells and whistles that may not matter to you.

I mean I get the trying to push a startup in a direction (so they can invest potentially) but somehow I don't think that is what is going on.

the_watcher said 7 months ago:

PG writing a script to email himself every day doesn't create value for anyone but himself, someone deciding to build a company out of it does.

mc3 said 7 months ago:

It could be released as free & open source software. That would be valuable.

athenot said 7 months ago:

The very humble Notes app on macOS/iOS fulfills this for me. I just start typing, the minimalistic interface gets out of the way. Timestamping is on last modification instead of creation date but I add one manually. That's about my only drawback. Some features I find compelling:

- I can start a train of thought on the mac, continue it on the phone and complete it on my mac.

- It's not mined by some advertising company, no subject to the viability of some business.

- Being so simple, the contents can be exported to some other format very easily.

- Works offline (only background sync requires connection).

- And search is near instant since everything is stored locally.

graeme said 7 months ago:

My first thought when reading this was “how do you automate it?” as that was part of the spec.

But you can actually do that with Shortcuts, which is build into the system.

1. Make a note with a title like “journal” or “daily log”

2. Open shortcuts, go to automations. Make a new one with a time of day trigger. (Or an alternate if you prefer)

3. Actions: “find all notes where” —> filter for notes name. “ask for input” —-> ask the question you want + put “current date” as default entry. “Append to note” —> use magic variables. Select ask for input as the text to append, and note as the note to append to. (Specifically, the note your filter found)

4. Duplicate this for as many times of day as you want to be asked

5. At the appropriate time, click the notification and enter text to log it. Also add a trailing newline for note formatting. If anyone knows how to automate this on shortcuts, let me know: newlines seem tricky and I haven’t figured it out.

This automates the asking, and also the timestamp. Thanks for posting your idea, it prompted me to setup alerts for 11:00 and 5:00 pm.

Edit: this doesn’t transfer bullets to notes. If anyone knows how to append bulleted text via shortcut, let me know.

dpeck said 7 months ago:

Thats a nice little hack. Shortcuts is really powerful for little workflows like this.

I've done similar for reminders of things that I want to take measurement of in a simple way throughout a day. Like taking a childs temperature when they're sick and running a fever.

graeme said 7 months ago:

How do I make this list be a list without double spacing or making it a code block....there must be a way?

Stratoscope said 7 months ago:

Double spacing is your only option. Don't make it a code block, as that is unreadable on mobile.

graeme said 7 months ago:

Thanks for confirming! Thought I was missing a method for years. Oh well.

rahuldottech said 7 months ago:

    Line 1
    (leave blank line)
    Line 2 

Renders as:

Line 1

Line 2

wizzwizz4 said 7 months ago:

Hacker News markup does not include lists. To my knowledge, there is not. https://news.ycombinator.com/formatdoc

DeusExMachina said 7 months ago:

Since macOS Catalina, you can also sort notes by creation date. So the information is there, even though it's kept hidden.

ryanjm33 said 7 months ago:

On the Mac, if you click the date, it will flip between creation/updated dates.

biztos said 7 months ago:

I have gotten really into using it on my Mac (writing) and my iPhone (reading/updating) but unfortunately it is insanely buggy on iPad when using a keyboard, or at least when using the Magic Keyboard.

Buggy enough that I have to use something else for taking notes with iPad+Keyboard. I've found Bear[0] to be pretty good but not better for my use-case than a less-buggy Notes would be.

Since "ubiquity" and "simplicity" are the two main selling points for standard Notes, this is proving to be pretty annoying: I sometimes write in Bear then copy-paste back into Notes.

[0]: https://bear.app

valbaca said 7 months ago:

It's good to hear I'm not the only one having frustrations with the Magic Keyboard and Notes.

Otherwise, I'm also a fan of how perfectly minimal and focused Notes is for journaling.

crtlaltdel said 7 months ago:

i've never used bear.app, but i do a lot of writing in Ulysses[0] and selectively copy/paste back into Notes if needed.

[0]: https://ulysses.app

biztos said 7 months ago:

I tried out Ulysses and felt like I'd probably use it if I were writing a lot and doing it more seriously. Might give it another try, thanks for reminding me.

crtlaltdel said 7 months ago:

tbh i got it on a whim, thinking that i'd revive my love of writing fiction, stage plays and poetry. sort of a "recapture the heady days of my youth" thing lol. since then i've found that any editor with a minimal interface and markdown support makes me feel better about writing, in general.

the_watcher said 7 months ago:

Agreed that this works well for some workflows. That said, part of pg's "design brief" was the workflow: receive an email and reply to it, his reason for replying being "to get it out of my inbox".

graeme said 7 months ago:

If a phone or ipad notification would be acceptable, I figured out that part in a comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22046379

mcculley said 7 months ago:

I built a little app for myself just because I wanted timestamps and geostamps: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/chronible/id1397942944

gglitch said 7 months ago:

Can you say more about "Being so simple, the contents can be exported to some other format very easily"? That has been a sticking point for me, only having the export of individual notes to PDF as a built-in option.

nickloewen said 7 months ago:

If you copy-paste from the notes app, it tends to do a reasonable job transforming it’s formatting into a plain-text representation.(Or rich-text, if you paste into an app that supports it, like Pages or Mail.)

There are a few apps around that can do this in bulk. I have one called Notes Exporter. Apparently Note2Txt is also good: https://www.macsparky.com/blog/2016/5/exporting-apple-notes-...

I am a little worried that some day these tools will disappear, but iirc the notes are just kept in an sqlite database so it shouldn’t be too hard to hack your data out manually, either.

j45 said 7 months ago:

The email workflow is slightly different.

It prompts you in email not having to change applications. This is good for people who like inbox zero and are in their emails all day anyways.

thanatropism said 7 months ago:

An alternative is the voice recording app. It doesn't have search but you can use the recording titles for tags.

charlus said 7 months ago:

I agree - after trying many notes and lists apps, I settled on the simplicity of Notes. It's also very fast.

bad_user said 7 months ago:

The service that Paul Graham mentioned is probably this one:


Shutdown announcement:


I used it and loved it. It was cool while it lasted. Unfortunately it's just one more example for why I don't trust startups.

Also you probably don't need a service, personally I can just send email to yourself, PGP encrypted. The only bit that's missing is a periodic reminder, to which you can reply. But I can probably set that up as a cron job.

opencl said 7 months ago:

There are a few other similar sites that are still running:




And an open source self-hostable one that was started right around the time ohlife shut down: https://github.com/einaregilsson/MyLife

kossnocorp said 7 months ago:

Funnily enough, I also used and loved it, and it was the inspiration to build Diary Email.

> But I can probably set that up as a cron job

Almost every app could be replaced with email, a cron job or a spreadsheet ;-)

bad_user said 7 months ago:

I'm glad to see someone retry building something similar, but the problem is that OhLife is a service launched 10 years ago [1].

Many of us were not aware of privacy issues then, plus we were naive enough to think that the services we adopted would survive if cool enough.

I loved OhLife, but now 10 years later I wouldn't subscribe to a clone. Fool me once etc.

I wish you succeed though. It's a cool project and your landing page looks good.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1613137

dsaavy said 7 months ago:

Non-technical users could just use something like Zapier or Automate.io to email them reminders that they can reply to.

lancer said 7 months ago:

A friend and I had the same need for an email diary service in 1998. DailyDiary [0] has been online ever since :)

[0] https://dailydiary.com

Aperocky said 7 months ago:

I uses good old terminal and vim, with a single command to enter current diary:


Writing diary has been so much easier! (though probably will be hard to extend to people who don't know/like terminal editors, or command line itself)

haxiel said 7 months ago:

I use a service named Penzu for keeping a journal. It's primarily web-based, but you can make it email-based if you wish to. Basically, you'd set up a daily reminder at a specific time, and you can reply directly to that email to make a new entry.

I should point out that Penzu is not a completely free service. There is a basic free tier, and then there are paid plans with additional features.

reaperducer said 7 months ago:

Why does this need to be a "service?"

Why not just write the e-mail in your current e-mail client and then store the draft in its own folder?

People have been doing that for centuries. They'd write a letter to themselves and then store it in a box somewhere instead of sending it.

Some people took it a step farther and would write the letter, and then burn it if they were angry. Very cathartic.

taneq said 7 months ago:

This was my first response, too. Just email yourself with subject "diary", then the next day, reply to that email, etc. You can even have multi-user versions by sending it to someone(s) else and everyone just replies all. If you self-host your email then it's fairly secure, and has all of the advantages but none of the disadvantages.

josephwegner said 7 months ago:

This is a real "Dropbox is just rsync" sort of comment, but I personally use a small CLI util for this[1]. It automatically creates a new text file for each day that I use it and stores it in a dated folder/file. I can look at notes by day, or grep around in that directory fairly easily. And it syncs to wherever, so I can also just search within my file storage service.

I use this for both regular "diary" sort of journaling as well as notes around what I was doing on a particular day. It's wildly useful keeping daily notes on things, for questions like "Hey, do you remember that bug we dealt with last year...?"

[1] https://gist.github.com/josephwegner/677ce82556fcbde6ae626a8...

_august said 7 months ago:

I 100% read "Dairy Email" until the page loaded. I thought you figured out how to email me milk.

kossnocorp said 7 months ago:

Haha, I actually figured it out. You just ship plant-based milk lol.

saalweachter said 7 months ago:

For some reason, when I read it aloud too many times, it begins to sound like something less desirable to be mailed.

davnicwil said 7 months ago:

On seeing this tweet I wondered who would be the first to do it, and how long it would take.

Congratulations, from a fellow hacker - what's it been, 2 days? That's really impressive speed, especially considering it's nice looking.

A lot of people would confidently assume they could knock this out in a couple of days no problem, but it'd actually take them a few weeks at minimum. I had a post on the front page a few weeks ago on the topic [0], perhaps you saw it - I could learn a lot from you :-)

[0] https://boxci.dev/blog/why-it-took-12-weeks-to-ship-an-mvp-I...

mtlynch said 7 months ago:

OP mentioned in a comment that this tool existed before the tweet: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22045528

davnicwil said 7 months ago:

Ah, good spot.

Well, I'm still pretty excited for the OP at the right place right time nature of this. I mean, imagine browsing twitter and noticing that Paul Graham asks for someone to build the very product you're sitting on fully formed :-)

Kind of a perfect case study of the adage that you need to work really hard to prepare in order to be lucky!

nausher81 said 7 months ago:

I use an App called Daylio [https://daylio.webflow.io/] as a personal diary and mood tracker.

It has a single notification per day which is directly actionable (Asks for your mood for the day).

Data is stored locally on the phone and can be backed up to your iCloud/Google Drive.

I have found this app to be more habit forming in terms of creating a micro-diary, rather than sitting down and jotting thoughts.

haberdasher said 7 months ago:

If anyone wants to give a multi-year journal (5-year Journals are popular in print form) chrome extension a try: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/goal-board-vision-...

F_J_H said 7 months ago:

Thank you for the suggestion. Played around with it a bit an it looks interesting. Curious as I am not familiar with Chrome Extensions - where is the actual data stored?

bergie said 7 months ago:

That's a great idea, can write on any device!

In the early 2000s, I had a setup where I could blog by either email or SMS. By default emails would become new posts. SMS would append to the latest entry, or I could create a new one with a keyword (NEWPOST title, I think).

This was a nice way to create and update travel journals before mobile internet and smartphones were widespread.

crtlaltdel said 7 months ago:

honestly, this feels like a great feature for today, especially with the prevalence of smartphones and the mobile web! now we have devices that are mostly easier to type/compose messages on and the fierce rush to build an app for everything has imo reduced the "cool factor" of a bespoke native app. i hate installing a new app to use a service if the app is buggy and the workflow could be done some other way (even responsive webapp). personally, i really enjoy sms based UX.

nicklovescode said 7 months ago:

A few days ago a weekly letter I wrote myself called Dear Nick that I BCC a few close friends. I love doing it now

Please steal the idea if you like!


moona3k said 7 months ago:

I loved the Dear Nick idea, the weekly script, and sharing the most intimate notes with your closest friends. Good work.

tlackemann said 7 months ago:

Alternatively, jrnl.sh. It's tiny, allows you write using your favorite editor, and can be backed up or replicated with simple git. It's even encrypted.

Maybe I'm not the target demographic for services like these but I would never trust my personal thoughts with a service like this.

cbanek said 7 months ago:

I recently converted to jrnl.sh a few months ago and I am loving it. I used to run my own private wordpress, and it was nothing but headaches, and fear of dataloss.

I use jrnl.sh on mac, and I can easily have it in my documents folder and sync it up to iCloud. I also back it up to a few other places, and since it's encrypted, I don't worry too much about people being able to peek.

The format being very simple has made it easy to hack up python scripts which allowed me to bring all my old livejournal entries, medium entries, and wordpress entries together into one diary.

tossmeaside1 said 7 months ago:

It is a popular conceit to assume that anyone cares about your thoughts or that they carry some significant, intrinsic value. This happens to me all the time. It takes reflection to realize that most of the crap that people generate is just that, crap. Sure, it may be crap that can incriminate you in a court proceeding or crap that could be developed into patented intellectual property, but it is crap none-the-less. Its that tendency people have to assume things like "I got super stoned in the late 90's and sketched out designs for Photovoltaic Solar Roofing systems, that Musk guy stole my idea". No, odds are that Musk guy didn't steal shit from you. Your diary wasn't hacked, your sketches were not secretly photographed and your phone isn't bugged. Your idea was in some way obvious. In the PV example it was obvious and requires money and influence to develop, two things that if you had them you wouldn't be making claims that "so and so stole this idea" or "I invented that first".

oefrha said 7 months ago:

No one gives a crap about your nude body. Still, you probably don’t shower in the open.

kop316 said 7 months ago:

For a different thought of how to do it, I self-host a Wordpress site that is essentially a diary. However, right now the scope is to keep track of recipes that I have made, if I liked them, and where I found them.

While I could have made a notes app, this allows my fiancée to look at it, comments on it, or make her own posts to give her thoughts too (though she hasn't used it).

I have thought about expanding it into a more general blog (technical or otherwise), I haven't gotten to that step yet.

Thinking about it, I could make a cron service on it to ask me "what's going on" with a link to make a new post as well, and make it optionally private (so only I or who I choose can see it).

Dyaz17 said 7 months ago:

Great job. Here is what I propose to make it more secure and prevent you from being able to read anyone diary...

I propose that each day a link/token is sent to your email. The link then ask for a password that is handled only with client side javascript and does the encryption of the data before sending it do the server. Look at what Blockhain.info or myetherwallet is doing for client side encryption. Maybe also propose provide all the front end as opensource and provide a way for people to host their own front (a few HTML, JS files where you input the link or token sent to you by email...)

kossnocorp said 7 months ago:

Thank you!

My goal wasn't to create a 100% secure diary. If you need that, you probably should not store your data in the cloud. That's unlikely that I will ever try to make it happen. But even if I would, there're so many ways to screw it over anyway, so I won't ever try to make this promise.

However, I will consider open-sourcing it.

Also see my comment where I addressed the privacy issue: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22045670

jlelse said 7 months ago:

Open sourcing it (and allowing to self-host it for personal and private use) would be awesome!

said 7 months ago:
disiplus said 7 months ago:

I stumbled on a "lets call it a bug". If i register with a plus sign using my gmail something+diaryemail@gmail.com

i cannot send emails from that email address and so it wont work for me.

kossnocorp said 7 months ago:

Right! But I'm afraid I can't fix that. When I receive an email, I associate it with the address that GMail reports to me,, and when you sign in as something+something@gmail.com, the email address differs (as you might already guess). I know that I can safely remove +something but I can't be sure that it will work the same for every email service and ensure security. Please use something@gmail.com, I won't send you anything unless you explicitly ask for it.

tectonic said 7 months ago:

I've been doing this for myself for a couple years now with a little service I wrote that just sends me an email each day that I reply to. It's archived in my email history and in a simple, searchable web UI. It's been super useful for figuring out when I did something a few years ago, medical notes, etc.

samdung said 7 months ago:

Congrats. This is cool. Quick question. Did you pull this off in one day (after PG's tweet)? If yes, that is mighty impressive.

kossnocorp said 7 months ago:

Sorry to disappoint you, but I did not. I built it some time ago, but I was quick to reply, so there's a chance that Paul tried the service. I'm such a fanboy, haha.

overcast said 7 months ago:

Looks like they built it at least 8+ months ago, it was posted HN around that time.

jwbaldwin said 7 months ago:

Was wondering the same thing. Either way, a clean and well-designed landing page and service. Well done OP.

nestorherre said 7 months ago:

This. Pretty well done OP, congrats and good luck.

nif2ee said 7 months ago:

It's pointless to say the least to claim "Private and secure" without at least having client-side AEAD of some sort.

vi-mode said 7 months ago:

PG is a smart mind with a long track record of achievements. Still people shouldn't follow him in a cult-like manner or turn him into a voodoo-kind role model, 'PG tweeted he needs a pink phone, I made him one'.

While the initial email idea is tempting, it's nonsense from a security perspective especially with this use case.

kldavis4 said 7 months ago:

I used http://ohlife.com/ until they shut down. After that I just switched to using a Google Doc. The service mostly just provided me a daily reminder, but after you get into the habit it isn't hard to keep it up without that.

obiefernandez said 7 months ago:

I wrote and maintain AhhLife as a replacement for OhLife. Been going for many years now. Thousands of active users.

kossnocorp said 7 months ago:

I also did. The memory of it inspired me to build Diary Email.

rahuldottech said 7 months ago:

Honestly, I love it!

A very related project, that focuses on being a "social network" through email: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21853667

Edit: I'm getting errors with the login functionality. Please check it out.

kossnocorp said 7 months ago:

Thanks! What browser do you use?

k_ said 7 months ago:

Got the issue too, it was not related to my browser but more likely to my email client that replaced more & with &amp; than needed and broke the link. Edited the link manually and it worked.

kossnocorp said 7 months ago:

Ouch! Firebase generates links for me but I'll take a look at what I can do.

EllieEffingMae said 7 months ago:

My personal solution to this is using http://itty.bitty.site

You can write a lot on one page. And I wrote some bash functions to store the links when you close your browser, and then give you the option of opening one based on the title.

cyberferret said 7 months ago:

This thread makes me miss the old Posterous service. I used to enjoy emailing shot blog posts, and only having a few friends of mine knowing what my blog address was. It was a form of journalling that I enjoyed until they inexplicably shut the service down.

komali2 said 7 months ago:

I really like the layout of the page and your manner of speaking. Both are web design ideals I strive for. I also want people to write more :)

Little nitpick - try out your signup page on Firefox mobile and you will see a one character width input field for the email input box :)

overcast said 7 months ago:

Out of curiosity, how are you preventing spoofed email spam? It looks like you're accepting everything to one generic email address, and posting via the senders address?

juandazapata said 7 months ago:

What’s the difference between this and using...your email? I’m genuinely confused.

mc3 said 7 months ago:

The codeless way of doing it: Set up a daily recurring event on Google Calendar, with an email reminder saying "Wazzaaaap?" then you reply to it. To accumulate, use Gmails search functionality.

ohsik said 7 months ago:

Funny when I came to post my diary app, I saw this haha


Swtrz said 7 months ago:

I do this with my own mail account using a filter that drops messages with an @NoteToSelf tag in the body into a particular folder. I hate to be that guy, I think Paul thought too hard about this one.

cryptozeus said 7 months ago:

Great job, very fast. One more person delivered this on Twitter thread...https://nom.blue/

JamesAdir said 7 months ago:

Looks great. I've gone through the comments but might missed it - Could you share a bit on what you used to develop this? language? frameworks? thanks!

johnnyballgame said 7 months ago:

Click "Open Diary". Click back button. Nope.

maxpv said 7 months ago:

I use a dedicated email address and send emails to myself. Much private, you can make threads ect..

Using protonmail by the way.

marta_morena said 7 months ago:

Cool, so people post their diary to an email service? Interesting. Why not just post on Facebook? It's about as public as it gets.

wtetzner said 7 months ago:

I don't think it's supposed to be public. The idea is that you get an email each day asking about what's going on, you reply, and the service tracks your replies in a way that you can retrieve them.

mnemonicsloth said 7 months ago:

A lot of people would rather keep their diaries private.

Montaigne wouldn't have been Montaigne if he was writing for other people.

XnoiVeX said 7 months ago:

Isn't this exactly like https://posthaven.com/?

wodenokoto said 7 months ago:

What do you use for sending and reading emails?

I’m looking to build a simple script that can send out some emails and respond to simple replies.

kazinator said 7 months ago:

private@diaryemail.com is an oxymoron. Why would I write an e-mail to some random address at a domain I don't own, and pretend that it's private, when I could send it to <myalias>@<mydomain>, where it ends up on a server under my desk?

kper1337 said 7 months ago:

Why exactly do you need to store my age to store my data (in the signup process)?

mariocesar said 7 months ago:

How do I update my Full Name? or change the newsletter subscription options? ∞?

kossnocorp said 7 months ago:

Sorry, there are no settings for that yet. Please mail me to koss@nocorp.me, and I'll do it for you.

esjeon said 7 months ago:

TBH, I don't think this is anything practical, but I love the design.

matt_the_bass said 7 months ago:

Nice work. FYI pricing tables are not readable on my iPhone 8 in safari

qntty said 7 months ago:

This is a newer feature of Day One (but you have to pay to get it).

NicoJuicy said 7 months ago:

I dogfood handle.sapico.me , I used to email it to myselve though.

drharby said 7 months ago:

shut up and ship it

I love the simple sourcing of requirements. Good job!

kper1337 said 7 months ago:

Why do you exactly need to know my age to store my data?

kossnocorp said 7 months ago:

As I'm based in the EU, I can't store personal data of children without the consent of a parent. So to make sure I added the form.

sandeeps_ said 7 months ago:

@kossnocorp How long did it take for you to build this?

racuna said 7 months ago:
macleginn said 7 months ago:

A hard limit of 30 friends is a bit annoying.

agentofoblivion said 7 months ago:

Amazing speed/execution. Kudos!

moralsupply said 7 months ago:

Do you store the diary in plain text?

kossnocorp said 7 months ago:

I stored it as sanitized HTML along with the original HTML so I can resanitize it after I improve the parser or find an error in it.

eerrt said 7 months ago:

How do you handle the security?

dang said 7 months ago:

Submitted title was "Show HN: Paul Graham requested an email diary service, so I shipped it", which isn't a bad thing, but given that the post is now high on the front page I think we should do the usual edit and take out the celebrity name.

stewfortier said 7 months ago:

I built and maintain Writing Amigo, which does exactly this.

It emails you a fun, daily writing prompt that you can reply to directly in your inbox.

It also provides a free dashboard with writing stats and a built-in text editor for refining posts.


Here are some sample screenshots: https://twitter.com/stewfortier/status/1216969455734931457?s...

Freegile said 7 months ago:

Why does this need a service? Isn't the only thing that needs to be accomplished to auto-mail you every day "Whats up?" from you+diary@youremaildomain.com?

Then you just reply and have your diary in that inbox?

kissgyorgy said 7 months ago:

I have a big problem with this: You can't seem to edit the post after it has been sent. A typo staying there forever would drive me crazy :)

foobarrrrrr said 7 months ago:

kiss ass much?

foobarrrrrr said 7 months ago:

Kiss ass much?

tossmeaside1 said 7 months ago:

News Flash:

- Rich person muses about things they want

- Some number of people, reading of said musings assume it is a viable business because "PG wants this..."

- Someone rushes it to market

- Turns out the rich guy wanted something that is largely already available (if not exactly to "spec") in a myriad of offerings from a companies large and small

- Rich guy goes on, unconcerned that his whims just wasted several hours of several people's lives

- Several people who did not ship this "solution" watch, waiting for the next kernel of greatness the rich guy will drop for the peasants race towards


- I don't know PG

- I don't know (many) Rich Guys

- I do understand why people hang on the words of people like PG and Musk, it's just not something that I do myself

- I have nothing but admiration for someone who can hear a suggestion and execute on it with any degree of precision and quality this is not a skill I possess

deadmetheny said 7 months ago:

Paul Graham Paul Graham Paul Graham. Paul Graham Paul Graham Paul Graham Paul Graham? Paul Graham Paul Graham Paul Graham Paul Graham!

Paul Graham.

dang said 7 months ago:

Please don't do this here. It literally adds to the thing you're complaining about.

Btw, pg hates cult of personality stuff as much any of us.

austenallred said 7 months ago:

You're literally typing those words on a website that Paul Graham created.

vallas said 7 months ago:

this guy is making art by the way

deadmetheny said 7 months ago:

Paul Graham.

groovybits said 7 months ago:

Context? And why is this rated second in this thread?

ngngngng said 7 months ago:

Paul Graham?