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jdormit said 7 months ago:

> Anyone who knows me well (in the tech industry at least) knows that I’m a major Hugo bigot

"Bigot" is likely not the word you are looking for here - it generally has the connotation of someone who looks down or discriminates against those they consider lesser, e.g. racists or sexists. Maybe "champion" or "fanatic"?

devnulloverflow said 7 months ago:

It's a joke. The whole point is for the author to cast themself in a negative light.

nothrabannosir said 7 months ago:

or zealot!

jrowley said 7 months ago:

Yeah I agree, I think they are looking for zealot. Sounds similar but different connotation.

ceejayoz said 7 months ago:

Partisan would work, too.

crazypython said 7 months ago:

Eh, it works in this case as a whimsical self-deprecating title. I would never call anyone else this term, but self-reference is alright IMO.

danso said 7 months ago:

How does it work as self-deprecation? I don't see it making sense in the way that "I'm a Hugo nerd/geek/slobbering fanatic" would.

jwhitlark said 7 months ago:

I think more in the sense of "I believe this is better regardless of objective reality". The others convey that you like or are into something, this conveys that you won't be swayed, so anyone reading further had better be ok with that.

biggestlou said 7 months ago:

It works as self-deprecation because it’s not really something worth getting all worked up about, and yet here I am

djs070 said 7 months ago:

I think they're saying the opposite of that; they're biased against Hugo or generally vocal in their criticism of it.

sandGorgon said 7 months ago:

Here's Classy Docs for Gatsbyjs - a pure react based static site generator.

Remember, you need to write JavaScript anyway..it's probably far more productive to go all the way.


Kovah said 7 months ago:

I strongly disagree with this view. "You use JS anyway" is not a single valid reason to adopt React. Use it when you build interactive web applications (because that's what it was developed for), or if your site uses heavy content-changing animations commonly used in SPAs. Documentations, on the other site, are neither of that. At least this is what I expect: I am searching for information because I have to solve a problem, not to look at nice animations or give the docs page a thumb up.

sandGorgon said 7 months ago:

you are mistaken here.

Gatsbyjs is not a dynamic application. It is a React-based framework to generate static sites. Pretty much exactly like Hugo - except that Hugo uses Go templating and Gatsbyjs uses React.

If you open the link i gave, it would solve the problem you needed to solve (and also get nice animations if you are so inclined).

The other advantage is that in the future if you want to build a dynamic application, you can continue where you left off. You dont have to rewrite in another framework. Its React all the way down.

Kovah said 7 months ago:

Thanks for the clarification. Based on the Gatsby website itself and the docs it seemed that the websites generated with it also use React for the site itself. Apparently this is not the case. Still, the argument that one should better not bet on heavy frameworks for simple documentation is kinda valid, even if not applicable for the given use case.

r_singh said 7 months ago:

Please follow the link.

Gatsby is a React based static website generator.

Why React? Because there's A LOT of developers familiar with it. Why Gatsby? Has a ton of plugins and starter kits. It's also super simple to use along with modern CMSes like Ghost, Netlify, Contentful, Tina, etc.

> That's what it was developed for

React's official website recommends using Gatsby if you're building a static website.

big_chungus said 7 months ago:

I like it, but would you consider toning the color scheme a little down? Or maybe be a bit more sparing with color? The massive field of bright pink smacked me in the eyes when I opened it up. A good documentation theme should get out of the way so the reader can focus on the text rather than the colors.

biggestlou said 7 months ago:

That color is mostly a placeholder, and in the actual theme you'll be able to change the color scheme in the site configuration (without needing to touch CSS).

I agree that aesthetics are absolutely CRUCIAL and this will be a MAJOR focus of the project.

You can see this in action here: https://github.com/tract-docs/tract-docs.dev/blob/master/con....

hprotagonist said 7 months ago:

“whatever looks like readthedocs” is good in my world.

biggestlou said 7 months ago:

I personally find RTD far too drab for my tastes but to each their own. If it works for you, run with it!

x3ro said 7 months ago:

One dependency:

Anchor.js — Provides nice clickable/linkable anchors for Markdown content

Almost 6K minified to do something that the browser can do natively?... I know I've been out of frontend for almost three years but I'm still confused :D

ImpressiveWebs said 7 months ago:

The browser does it natively if you hand code it into every page and every sub heading. What the tool does is allow you to insert the script into any page and it will automatically create anchors for all the sub headings. This saves tons of time because you don’t have to do it manually (i.e. by inserting IDs in every H1, H2, etc.)

x3ro said 7 months ago:

I mean sure, if you were writing the website by hand. But every markdown processor I've used is able to derive these from headlines. And everything you can do in JavaScript you can also do when generating the page in the first place if it's just a one time modifications of the page.

biggestlou said 7 months ago:

Markdown parsers can auto-generate IDs for headers but they don't create a nice icon next when you hover over the header. That's what Anchor.js is for. For an example, see this page: https://kubernetescommunitydays.org/organizing.

afandian said 7 months ago:

Those auto-generated anchors remind me of LaTeX references. You have to write the anchor IDs in manually ... but when you re-word your heading you don't suddenly break all of your links to it.

x3ro said 7 months ago:

I know these, but there's also CSS so I don't understand why this needs JS..

biggestlou said 7 months ago:

If you know of an all-CSS solution, I'm all ears

gouggoug said 7 months ago:

Related: for anybody looking for [another] great tool to create a documentation website, take a look at Antora[1]. It uses the Asciidoc/Asciidoctor toolchain.

[1]: antora.org

type0 said 7 months ago:

It also seems to support combining multiple Git repos to generate everything into one site which seems cool.

Uninen said 7 months ago:

I just configured VuePress ( https://vuepress.vuejs.org/ ) for our frontend project docs at work. Having statically built docs is great and having the ability to document your Vue code with Vue-enabled markdown is a great bonus.

biggestlou said 7 months ago:

Yep. Love the static approach. I haven't yet a use case for a React/Vue static generator but a lot of really powerful stuff is being built.

yingw787 said 7 months ago:

I love Hugo. My personal blog and my tech blog are both built with Hugo, with an extremely simple AWS deployment pipeline. I’ve been looking for a great documentation theme , but I haven’t found one to my liking yet (closest is maybe hugo-theme-book or hugo-theme-docuapi). If v0.1 is out by end of 2019 I’d love to test drive it for a project I’m planning out early 2020.

biggestlou said 7 months ago:

Sweet! Definitely stay tuned!

strogonoff said 7 months ago:

An example of a (somewhat) similar type of static documentation site theme, but for Jekyll, is a project I’ve been participating in[0]. Born primarily as a side effect of putting online the projects from Ribose Open, it’s somewhat idiosyncratic and (ironically) lacking its own site, but we’re getting there. It’s being actively dogdfooded[1].

[0] https://github.com/riboseinc/jekyll-theme-open-project

[1] See, for example, https://www.rnpgp.com/

biggestlou said 7 months ago:

Nice work! Very cool project. Love to see it.

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nicoburns said 7 months ago:

This is an excellent idea. My workplaces have often used github or confluence for documentation, but they're slow, and offer limited customisation. Static site generators make a lot of sense for this use case.

biggestlou said 7 months ago:

Definitely. Confluence is fine for some use cases, but personally I'm strongly in favor of a version-controlled approach.

bovermyer said 7 months ago:

The line width (number of characters per line) is way too long. You should aim for 50-60 characters per line in a column for maximum legibility.

See (for example) this: https://practicaltypography.com/line-length.html

derefr said 7 months ago:

I've seen this rule stated in various ways, but it seems to always be a fixed value, which presumably is derived specifically for the information-density of the English language. Is there a resource on what this number should be for other languages with different information densities? (I can't imagine that you should have 60 characters of Chinese per line, for example.)

bovermyer said 7 months ago:

That's a great question. I don't know the answer, but I'm sure similar resources exist in languages with non-Roman writing systems.

biggestlou said 7 months ago:

Yeah, this is something I plan on playing with a bunch leading up to the alpha launch, potentially making this configurable.

reinhardt1053 said 7 months ago:

My goto tool for documentation these days is mkdocs with material theme https://squidfunk.github.io/mkdocs-material/

secstate said 7 months ago:

Docsy doesn't break keyboard scrolling in Qutebrowser. Tract does not work for me at all. Also, while I'm sure it's configurable, the neon pink is burning my eyes in a dark room and constrasts terribly with bright white.

biggestlou said 7 months ago:

Could you say more about this? What exactly is broken about the experience in Tract? I have never heard of Qutebrowser.

The-Compiler said 7 months ago:

You can see what's probably the same issue in Firefox/Chromium as well: You can't scroll e.g. https://tract-docs.dev/docs/getting-started/ with the keyboard without first clicking into the page.

biggestlou said 7 months ago:

Okay, I believe I've fixed this.

chrismorgan said 7 months ago:

Doesn’t seem fixed to me. Also, it’s impossible to fix it in the current structure without JavaScript, because you need to either move the caret into the desired scrolling element (`getSelection().collapse(document.querySelector('.main'))`), or focus it (`document.querySelector('.main').focus()`, also requiring tabindex=-1 or similar on the element). From the presence of tabindex=1 on .main, I’m guessing you tried that one.

For a documentation thing like this, I’d generally recommend avoiding a separate scrolling pane for the primary content, but rather arranging so that it can use the document’s scrolling element. This gets the scrollbar in the place people generally expect it in web things, and makes it work regardless of whether the JS loads.

biggestlou said 7 months ago:

Do you by chance have an article or some info you could share on this? I'm way out of my depth here.

chrismorgan said 7 months ago:

I don’t know of any good articles about the trade-offs of the various approaches, but I’ve started writing one myself. (I’m drafting a series on the intricacies of various UI patterns and their implementations, and this was actually already on my list.) Email me if you’d like me to drop you a line when I publish it (being realistic, expect to wait weeks for it).

biggestlou said 7 months ago:

Also, you win. I changed the color scheme.

techntoke said 7 months ago:

Noticed on mobile when you click the menu button there is no way to return to the page.

biggestlou said 7 months ago:

Yes, I'm working on the navigation. Tract is currently pre-alpha and this will improve by leaps and bounds in the next few weeks.

SiDevesh said 7 months ago:

That looks really nice! Recently had to create documentation for Prism OS (https://prismos.dev/docs) and I decided to use docusaurus since it seemed like the quickest way with sane defaults but it ended up taking way longer to setup everything before I could focus on writing the documentation. Is there a easy to use platform to quickly spin up documentation pages without coding ? That would also be really helpful since non technical support or content writing staff could then also contribute

scoutt said 7 months ago:

A while ago I looked into all Hugo solutions for documentation and have to say this looks very clean and simple!

I'm still looking for something that let me define a top-root level index for documentation of several products (much like https://learn.adafruit.com/) but found none (also Jekyll-based). I rolled my own based on Hugo but my CSS-formatting and HTML-generating skills are those from a firmware developer :)

axfan said 7 months ago:

Thanks, I have been looking for a good HUGO theme for documentation.

johnchristopher said 7 months ago:

I am not familiar with Hugo but I watch out for documentation stuff.

How hard would it be for a casual user to add some search capabilities ? IMO, that's a key point to have.

biggestlou said 7 months ago:

Not so easy for a casual user. Building a nice interactive dropdown search widget (or something of the sort) requires solid JS chops and you need to know your way around Hugo to generate a search index. But others have done it and there are some good tutorials out there, so by all means give it a shot!

afandian said 7 months ago:

I'm looking for something a bit more powerful than the Wiki bundled with GitLab (which uses Gollum). I started with MkDocs but moved it over to GitLab Wiki because I thought the instant feedback. I now have mixed feelings.

I've used Hugo in the past for a few sites, but the amount of boilerplate required, even though minimal, is a bit of a hurdle for an internal wiki.

Has anyone been here? Suggestions?

gammaray said 7 months ago:

I've been using [mdBook](https://github.com/rust-lang/mdBook) for my wiki/documentation needs lately.

It's great, the directory structure is straightforward and even supports search (through lunr.js) out of the box.

Niksko said 7 months ago:

We've started using mdbook [1] at work for our docs. It has search, it's customizable, and if you really need HTML in places you can do that inside your markdown to get the best of both worlds.

[1] https://github.com/rust-lang/mdBook

dgellow said 7 months ago:

The article made me discover Docsy: https://www.docsy.dev/

For some reason the author dismissed it, but I personally find the project quite nice!

biggestlou said 7 months ago:

I'm just not a fan of the aesthetic and it isn't as feature rich as I plan on making Tract. But if Docsy works for you, I fully support that!

hprotagonist said 7 months ago:

How convenient -- because DocuAPI has been refusing to work for me all week.

melenaos said 7 months ago:

Thank you for your post, I like the theme and the idea of static generator creating the documentation.

How could anyone include search in these static sites? Is there any theme that could provide such functionality?

techntoke said 7 months ago:

Fuse.js works great and is client-side. Hugo can generate the necessary JSON outputs and there is documentation on how to set it up on their website. Please let me know if you come across anything better.

biggestlou said 7 months ago:

Nice! I hadn't seen Fuse but it looks like a great option. I've used lunr.js on other projects and liked it but always open to explore new things.

biggestlou said 7 months ago:

I plan to offer several options for search (as covered in the blog post). Some existing themes provide search. YMMV.

chabad360 said 7 months ago:

it's usually done through algolia, but that is a proprietary service, and adds loads of js.

heyarviind2 said 7 months ago:

For more Hugo themes, you can check out https://uicard.io

They have incredible themes

aorth said 7 months ago:

Looks fantastic. I already use Hugo for some other things. I'll keep an eye on this for documentation in some future projects.

chabad360 said 7 months ago:

a. this looks awesome

b. if you're looking for a copy button for code blocks, I've seen it done (and done it myself) with some vanilla js.

c. the more vanilla js the better.

d. can you make code blocks have tabs for different languages?

e. this is awesome (did I mention that already).

f. I will find an excuse to use this.

g. I use ddg for my site search, but Google custom search works too, and is a bit easier to work with.

biggestlou said 7 months ago:

Do you know of any particularly good libs for copy buttons, code tabs, and the like? I've seen a few out there but they seem pretty subpar to me.

msaharia said 7 months ago:

Nice! How does this compare with docusaurus?

biggestlou said 7 months ago:

Docusaurus is a very nice tool but in my extensive experience React-based static site generators really suffer when building large sites, much like Jekyll does. I've worked on projects with well over 1,000 pages and Docusaurus, VuePress, and others simply don't have access to the jet engine that is well engineered Go. But if it works for you, run with it!

type0 said 7 months ago:

Someone mentioned mdBook, that thing is written in Rust and is amazingly fast even for huge sites.


msaharia said 7 months ago:

Good to know the difference. Thanks!