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264 pointsmaxfan8 posted 2 months ago159 Comments
159 Comments:
carreau said 2 months ago:

Try-it on mybinder.org, w/o login or signup (in Jupyter): https://mybinder.org/v2/gh/betatim/vscode-binder/master?urlp... Ephemeral machine. enjoy.

52-6F-62 said 2 months ago:

It actually runs on my iPhone 8 Plus like a breeze.

If there was a way to solve the annoying zoom-in behaviour when the editor or any text field was focused it would be workable.

Seems like a good option for those would-be iPad-using developers if they can easily run other environments.

mbreese said 2 months ago:

Try it for anything non-trivial and it starts to get unworkable quickly. I was trying this on my iPad pro, hoping that it would be a good remote IDE, and it doesn't quite work with the Apple keyboard. I had such high hopes! But when arrow keys don't work, that makes life a bit difficult on an iPad!

(FWIW, RStudio server has similar issues, but they switched editor components recently to try and get this working better).

52-6F-62 said 2 months ago:

That’s too bad.

I don’t do much in that way normally, but it might have coaxed me into actually using my data plan a little while on the road!

Was it mainly UI bugs because of the device or did it actually grow sluggish?

piotrkubisa said 2 months ago:

Not only VSCode is available on mybinder - There is also a RStudio in browser: https://hub.mybinder.org/user/binder-examples-r-twi4fgdz/rst.... Thank you for a link!

Many years ago (around 2011/2?), I remember there was some company that was taking care of emulating native Windows applications in browser, i.e. Notepad++ editor or Serious Sam game but I can't remind the name nor link to archive.is nor any other source...

xiaodai said 2 months ago:

your link to rstudio binder doesn't work

morpheuskafka said 2 months ago:

Wow. This is going to be a major game changer for remote development work, and it's a perfect counterpoint to the "Electron is stupid just write it in C" that we hear a lot. Because of the flexibility provided by separating the Node-based logic and processing layer from the web-based presentation layer, VS Code lent itself well to this kind of innovation. Of course, browser-based IDEs aren't new. But they've always been a beast of their own; this will work seamlessly with the tight VS Code integrations numerous languages and frameworks have.

foxes said 2 months ago:

Imagine needing the complexity of docker, browsers, vs code when a much simpler (and compared to this which is running in http? - secure) tool already exists :), ie

  ssh -X
IronBacon said 2 months ago:

No one remembers the "No Machine" NX protocol (X protocol with compression, without unnecessary roundtrips and some other optimizations)? I think I've tried it in the early 2000's, looks like they are still alive[0]

With version 4 of their protocol they went closed source, but before that it was released as GPL (don't remember if it was the case of their client/server, IIRC they were proprietary) anyway I think V3 is used in the X2Go[1] client/server. There was also a Goggle client in Python years ago...

[0] https://www.nomachine.com/

[1] https://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php/doc:newtox2go

rcarmo said 2 months ago:

NoMachine essentially made themselves irrelevant by not upgrading their client software often enough, IMHO. I was using all sorts of VNC hackery to make it fast and loved NX, but it was weird and niche (never worked quite right on the Mac) and still slow when compared to RDP and Citrix, so the rise of Ansible and other sorts of automation blew it out of the water for server management.

For end-users, Citrix was just way better, even if more expensive, and there was no compelling reason to switch...

ktpsns said 2 months ago:

I use x2go actively for all my servers. It is very fast, even over slow connections (much better performance then VNC and RDP used to have) -- thanks to great compression techniques (so do not expect 256 colours when connecting over GSM network). It is a lovely piece of (OSS!) software.

IronBacon said 2 months ago:

Nice to hear it's working well.

I found out today that X2Go version 4.1 is available on Debian Stretch via "backports"; I don't need it at the moment but if I'm bored in the future, I could play with it without much friction...

kristianp said 2 months ago:

Can Nomachine/X2go run a server on a windows machine?

IronBacon said 2 months ago:

X2Go shouldn't work, unless you intend to run it on a VM or maybe the WSL as it's a modified Xorg X11 server, but probably it's not what you are asking.

NoMachine, according to their download page, should support Windos/Mac/Linux on the server front, but I don't have a direct experience.

simplyred said 2 months ago:

NoMachine runs on a Windows server. It accesses the remote desktop. But if what you want is a Terminal Server like NoMachine's Terminal Server for Linux, I think you'll be disappointed. That's not possible from a legal perspective.

ktpsns said 2 months ago:

Ten years ago, UltraVNC or RDP were the fastest remote desktop options for Windows. I also can recommend TeamViewer, despite it has a slightly different focus.

renox said 2 months ago:

I used it until a few month ago: it worked better (lower latency and no need to specify the resolution) than VNC but clion doesn't work well with NX, so I switched to VNC.

bitwize said 2 months ago:

No. The X protocol is objectively shit. It's so shit, modern toolkits don't even fully use it anymore. Instead they do all rendering locally and pipe the composited pixmaps over to the X server via DRI. Over a network, guess what? No DRI. Meaning uncompressed pixmaps get sent over that network link every time a redraw happens.

Wayland, Pipewire, and H.265 will be a much better general solution to remote desktop access. In the meantime, VSCode via browser is a MUCH better approach than trying to forward it over X over any but the fastest network links.

kristianp said 2 months ago:

To clarify your statement about Wayland, it doesn't support remote desktop access in itself [1]. A remote desktop server would sit on top of Wayland.

[1] https://wayland.freedesktop.org/faq.html#heading_toc_j_8

simula67 said 2 months ago:

X forwarding is very slow. Some potential reasons are discussed here : https://superuser.com/questions/1217280/why-is-x11-forwardin...

josteink said 2 months ago:

I like X-forwarding in general, but VSCode and other electron-based apps really run like ass over remote X11.

Definitely not recommended.

manigandham said 2 months ago:

That's just a different kind of complexity to transmit interactions and UI rendering. It's built for much more general usage which is why it fails at a fine-grained low-latency coding experience on anything other than a LAN.

morpheuskafka said 2 months ago:

Yeah that doesn't really cut it for remoting over the internet into a VM in the cloud. As far as securing this it's as simple as tossing a few lines into your reverse proxy config.

jahewson said 2 months ago:

Because there’s nothing simpler than X11, right!? Also there's no dependency on docker - that's just a demo.

jpambrun said 2 months ago:

I tried that in the past and it's unusable over typical internet latency.

haolez said 2 months ago:

Or simply mount a dir with sshfs or similar :)

asutekku said 2 months ago:

I’d rather use the tooling of VSCode than ssh into some shoddy configuration of vim

flukus said 2 months ago:

> I’d rather use the tooling of VSCode

What they're suggesting allow you to do just that.

netheril96 said 2 months ago:

X forwarding is not secure at all.

movedx said 2 months ago:

Over an SSH tunnel?

jhoechtl said 2 months ago:

And impossible using Wayland

celrod said 2 months ago:

I'm a huge fan of RStudio server.

I splurged on an expensive desktop, while I'm using an old laptop with an i3 processor and 4GB RAM my brother gave me.

RStudio server let me work from the same R sessions, wherever I was, while giving me (high end) desktop performance for running simulations like MCMC, wherever I was -- from R.

I did similarly with Jupyter for Julia, but I always preferred Atom/VS Code. So my work flow, away from home, was using things like remote-ftp and ssh. But I can't seamlessly continue a session I had at home from my laptop. Needless to say, I am excited about this.

movedx said 2 months ago:

Looks good, but it's for R only, I guess?

rpier001 said 2 months ago:

Effectively. These days you can use a Python kennel in notebooks and get syntax highlighting, but not much else. Python and SQL are supported but second class use cases.

cwyers said 2 months ago:

The new version (in preview) has better Python support:

https://blog.rstudio.com/2018/10/09/rstudio-1-2-preview-reti...

celrod said 2 months ago:

Yes, I was quite happy with reticulate, when I tried it.

I like the workflow of working on code in a script, with hotkeys to run code blocks in the REPL and jump to the next block. If I am actively working on code, I'm unlikely to want to run the entire file, but that is the default in Python for VS Code, for example. So in terms of quickly getting comfortable and focusing on the work, reticulate with RStudio worked well for me. I also like it more than Jupyter, unless you're making reports where mixing code with markdown and LaTeX is great -- although RStudio supports this too.

But I've also used a lot more R than Python, and am already comfortable with RStudio. For someone who hasn't used RStudio before, there's probably better options to jump into Python for data analysis.

I brought up RStudio Server in the first place because I find it to be convenient, and even use it at home in place of RStudio Desktop, so that I can resume the same session I left at home remotely on my laptop.

Code-Server looks like the equivalent of RStudio Server. While I still haven't tried code-server (still planning on it -- just haven't yet because I'm not used to downloading and running binaries I find online), it has those same benefits, and much broader language support. I am happy to see it.

pimlottc said 2 months ago:

Can you elaborate on the remote development use cases you have in mind? I struggle to see what makes this better than developing locally and pushing/pulling code via git or some other VCS.

morpheuskafka said 2 months ago:

I currently use a Windows 10 dev laptop because I use it for other non-development tasks (ex. Creative Cloud) that require Windows. So I'd already need to run in a VM. And then there's the issue of making SSL certs and setting the hosts file to capture our domains, and installing all the build tools. I've got a 1.5 Mbps connection with horrible latency, my server has gigabit fiber somewhere in NoVa. With this, I can throw up a remote IDE with high quality plugins on our dev server, which is just a low-spec clone of prod. I can do a docker system prune and rebuild everything from scratch in seconds instead of hours because the npm packages download instantly. And it helps to stop "non working code -- push to test" commits in our GitHub.

Another would be developing ARM code using native ARM toolchains on a SoC board.

kmundnic said 2 months ago:

Scientific computing, specially when you'd like to do visualizations of data that is big/can't leave the server. It's also possible in Jupyter notebooks using port forwarding, but I don't see it for development involving data, as much as for data exploration or presentations.

jpambrun said 2 months ago:

Until recently I was stuck on a very locked down Windows machine (no vm, no docker, no admin rights..) while we target Linux on the cloud. The only way I could be productive is through remote development. We got macs and I still just develop remotely because the data in all in there.

harshitaneja said 2 months ago:

My work involves a lot of smaller scripts that need to run on very large datasets. Git was impractical for the frequency of my pushes so I resorted to the old scp or ssh and paste to my workstation. With this I can streamline my whole process.

halbritt said 2 months ago:

There are many cases where there is a desire not to have a company’s code base floating around on people’s laptops. For these folks remote development is a good option. It mitigates the risk of losing intellectual property.

My understanding is that much, if not all development at Google works like this. I don’t know their specific policy but a friend works on a similar project internally.

kyrra said 2 months ago:

Google devs access the repo locally most of the time through a FUSE file mount. So the code is never written to local disk, but still accessible locally as far as you can tell.

(The other ways of writing code aren't publicly mentioned yet in any talks or papers that I know of, so I'll leave that one alone)

From the 2016 ACM paper.

> Most developers access Piper through a system called Clients in the Cloud, or CitC, which consists of a cloud-based storage backend and a Linux-only FUSE file system. Developers see their workspaces as directories in the file system, including their changes overlaid on top of the full Piper repository

https://m-cacm.acm.org/magazines/2016/7/204032-why-google-st...

Klathmon said 2 months ago:

I've used something like this in the past when working with tools that are difficult to host locally.

Why setup your codebase and all the dependencies to run locally on a laptop when you can just spin up an instance on a server that matches your production environment and remote into it to work?

JacobDotVI said 2 months ago:

HIPAA - I want to be able to build data pipelines against patient data without the data itself leaving the server. Having my dev loop live on the same server as sample data is better than working against fake or synthetic data locally

fwip said 2 months ago:

Doesn't that just mean that the data is constantly leaving the server every time you run analysis on it? Or at least the reports on said data.

JacobDotVI said 2 months ago:

Potentially but not necessarily. Two thoughts:

1) I may not need to see the data itself during most (or all) of my dev loop, but just see any errors that are thrown.

2) Taken as risk mitigation, data temporarily cached in your browser is less risk than data permanently stored on your laptop, esp. when the threat you are mitigating is lost / stolen laptop.

smaccona said 2 months ago:

If the reports contain only aggregated or de-identified data (i.e. no PHI) then that is fine.

misterdoubt said 2 months ago:

Aggregate reports are fine flying on and off. Individual-level data, exactly the opposite.

pgm8705 said 2 months ago:

I could see this being useful if you needed to get some work done and you don't have access to your usual development machine.

flukus said 2 months ago:

> Because of the flexibility provided by separating the Node-based logic and processing layer from the web-based presentation layer, VS Code lent itself well to this kind of innovation.

Game Changer? Innovation? This sort of thing has been possible with x-windows for decades.

morpheuskafka said 2 months ago:

X forwarding is totally unusable over crowded, throttled, public WiFi or even good internet speeds with hardly any latency at all. The web is designed for those environments.

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sjellis said 2 months ago:

"browser-based IDEs aren't new. But they've always been a beast of their own; this will work seamlessly with the tight VS Code integrations numerous languages and frameworks have."

Yes, I evaluated AWS Cloud9 and walked away, because it was obvious that it could never compete with the ecosystems of the major editors. New tools and frameworks will keep coming, and proprietary cloud developer environments won't keep pace.

This project or Theia[1] look much more viable, if they can maintain enough compatibility with VS Code.

1: https://www.theia-ide.org/

anton_kosyakov said 2 months ago:

Theia relies only on stable and documented APIs for compatibility which are not move fast and don't get removed, not on patching and exposing of VS Code internals.

gripfx said 2 months ago:

https://github.com/theia-ide/theia Theia is the Monaco editor on a remote server. I've found the docker containers to be mostly stable

colemickens said 2 months ago:

Theia is a lot more than that. Theia is an Eclipse project that is aiming for VS Code extension compatibility (and already has results to show for it).

Theia remains the furthest along of any that I've seen. I'd love to know if someone thinks another "VSCode in browser, running on a remote server" is along further; there seems to be a new one every other month!

kristianp said 2 months ago:

Is it Electron based on the desktop as well, or web only?

abrowne said 2 months ago:

"The frontend runs in modern browsers or as a Desktop app using Electron with either local or remote (cloud) backends." from https://www.theia-ide.org/

wungsten said 2 months ago:

The Eclipse Che project (which I believe Theia is part of) is also very exciting in this domain.

anton_kosyakov said 2 months ago:

Theia is an independent IDE framework. It used by products like Gitpod (http://www.gitpod.io), Google Cloud Shell, ARM Mbed Studio (https://os.mbed.com/studio/?utm_source=blog) and so on. Che is going to replace own old GWT based IDE with Theia.

ashton314 said 2 months ago:

Nice. This is really cool. I know a lot of people who love VS Code; nice to see it get a handy feature.

For any Emacs users looking for an equivalent, you can edit a file over ssh like so:

    emacs /ssh:username@host.example.com:~/path/to/file.txt
Dired, etc. works like a charm. Best if you have your ssh key installed on the remote box.
taeric said 2 months ago:

If you are in eshell,

    cd /ssh:computer.name:
    ls
    ...

Even better, most programs "just work" as if you were on that machine.
josteink said 2 months ago:

Even ‘M-x compile’ works. And entirely seamlessly.

It’s quite amazing.

reustle said 2 months ago:

And here's how to do it in vim:

    vim scp://remoteuser@server.tld//absolute/path/to/document
https://vim.fandom.com/wiki/Editing_remote_files_via_scp_in_...
wybiral said 2 months ago:

I had the worst interview with these people (codercom) that I've ever had in my career as a developer.

It essentially consisted of them sitting me down with an old crappy laptop that kept logging out every few seconds and asked me to write an encrypted reverse proxy from scratch while simultaneously asking unrelated technical questions with a time limit.

I guess to test how people code with distractions and stress? But, yeah I definitely don't want to work anywhere that looks at their potential developers that way.

mongol said 2 months ago:

Sounds like how you test the multitasking abilities of fighter pilots..

java_script said 2 months ago:

Ha good to know. I chose not to do the on-site after they asked if a weekend was OK.

Nope. If I succeed I’ll just end up on the other side of the table interviewing candidates on weekends...

matz1 said 2 months ago:

Its not for everyone.

buzzerbetrayed said 2 months ago:

It sounds like you are trying to excuse an embarrassingly bad interviewing process.

matz1 said 2 months ago:

Bad because it select people who can handle stress and distraction and doesn't complain? If that what they looking for then I see no problem with it. They are free to select whatever criteria they see fit.

The way they interview in my work place these days also hard and imo ridiculous but yet they still find someone who meet all the criteria.

flukus said 2 months ago:

> Bad because it select people who can handle stress and distraction and doesn't complain?

Bad because they don't eliminate the stress (as much as possible) and distraction.

matz1 said 2 months ago:

Well assuming the purpose are to select candidate that can handle those then it doesn't make sense to eliminate those.

wybiral said 2 months ago:

Exactly. It's a glimpse into what they value most in candidates which is indicative of the culture.

If you want to work somewhere full of distractions, crappy hardware, and lots of stress then look for those kinds of interviews.

matz1 said 2 months ago:

Which is not necessarily bad. It's relative.

wybiral said 2 months ago:

If you're into that kind of lifestyle day after day, sure.

matz1 said 2 months ago:

Not for me but I'm sure there are other who are okay with that lifestyle. To each their own.

wybiral said 2 months ago:

True. It's a culture of burning people to the ground because they're disposable. Not everyone is into that.

jaentwistle said 2 months ago:

Interviews should be a good experience, and I’m sorry we failed at that for you - it certainly wasn’t our intention

locusofself said 2 months ago:

I am excited to try this and hope it proves easy to setup and reliable to use.

X11 forwarding is just terrible, completely useless over WAN.

sshfs is also a bad solution for coding as it doesn't do inotify properly, so if a file changes on the remote end it doesn't properly notify your local mount of the changes. Even worse, doing tons of small i/o operations (which is exactly what git does) is terribly slow with sshfs over WAN.

Right now I do most of my work in vscode locally and use the "Run on Save" plugin to automatically rsync my code changes to the remote server(s). It's the best solution I have found after trying many things.

vim is great for remote work too. very great in it's own right. But even despite the electron-based UI, the local, "native" experience and plugin ecosystem of VSCode is unmatched IMO.

moltar said 2 months ago:

I wish there was a way to run VS Code in headless server mode on a remote host and then connect to attach to it from my local machine.

simcop2387 said 2 months ago:

That's exactly what this lets you do.

jpambrun said 2 months ago:

The browser traps many keyboard shortcuts. Ctrl+w would close the chrome tab, not the vscode tab for instance. As a result, many shortcuts won't work.

I think you can reclaim some by running in full screen, but it's not great.

nodesocket said 2 months ago:

I think maybe he's asking without using a browser, instead open VC code and attach to a server maybe?

paxys said 2 months ago:

VS Code is already an electron app, so the browser is running exactly the same code.

moltar said 2 months ago:

Well, not really. This runs it in the browser. I’d like to run it as the actual VSCodr app with all of the benefits of the menu bar and shortcuts.

filleokus said 2 months ago:

Does this / something else allow me to do something like this but with the actual VS Code app? I.e, like Live Share but in a more persistent way? I don't really need the extra flexibility of the browser, I would just want to offload computation to a non-battery powered device.

paxys said 2 months ago:

FYI https://coder.com is the hosted service for this

Matheus28 said 2 months ago:

No pricing information and JS error thrown when trying to sign up... Oh well

m0ngr31 said 2 months ago:

I've been looking for something just like thing for a while. Apache Che didn't do much for me. Just didn't work the way I thought it should. How's the Firefox support for this?

croddin said 2 months ago:

It seems to work fine in Firefox as far as I can tell.

raihansaputra said 2 months ago:

Can this be made an iOS app / PWA with proper keybindings for iPad with keyboard? Wondering as I can’t use my JupyterLab on the iPad as it does not transmit ‘Shift + Enter’ to run the code.

lobo42 said 2 months ago:

When we started the Theia project (theia-ide.org), we considered doing a large patch on VS Code as well. But we decided to go down a more sustainable approach by reusing the important building blocks from VS code (editor and vscode extension protocol) with stable APIs, because rebasing a large patch on a fast paced project is a PITA.

Theia is about to complete the VS Code extension support. At that point it will be the better option as it is architected to run in remote scenarios from the ground up.

gbraad said 2 months ago:

My biggest problem with Theia is that the menu structure and appearance/feel is very different from the actual VSCode editor I am used to on the desktop. This was not the problem with Codercom. It reduces friction to move from the desktop to the cloud. If this could be solved, I would certainly prefer theia more. At the moment, I just can't customize it enough to get to my liking: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19396894

ourcat said 2 months ago:

Interesting. Only recently I came across https://stackblitz.com which is more or less VS Code in the browser.

Very useful.

nickmolnar2 said 2 months ago:

StackBlitz is Monaco in the browser. No extensions or terminal. Works great for certain kinds of front-end dev, but more complicated build tooling aren't available and only JS/TS are supported.

ourcat said 2 months ago:

Ahah. I'd never heard of Monaco. Thanks!

jeswin said 2 months ago:

Interesting in its own right, but the actual heavy lifting here was done by the vscode team; in how they envisioned and implemented the clean separation of UI and backend (such as language server protocol).

There are other previous attempts at running vscode in the browser - such as Ives Van Hoorne's very popular https://codesanbox.io. Curious if code is being shared between these projects.

kylecarb said 2 months ago:

Unfortunately, we didn't share code with CodeSandbox.

Most definitely throw props to the VS Code team for the great architecture. It would have been much more difficult if it wasn't for their foresight.

bjjbj said 2 months ago:

Running this on a VPS and works great.

Exactly what I was looking for to code at my public library, which provides macs but no permissions to install software.

I haven't run into any issues so far, except for the obvious permissions issues which were easy to fix. Extensions all install. I'm sure I'll have more to say about it as I use it more heavily.

Scarbutt said 2 months ago:

What this solves is one of the reasons why many vim/emacs users can't leave/change their editors so easily ;)

Uninen said 2 months ago:

Remote interpreter support is something I've been waiting for a long time. No word since September on the timetable, though: https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode-python/issues/79

gravypod said 2 months ago:

This will be very cool when someone packages it up to be a full IDE experience. Things like automatic language completion for multiple languages, project based view, etc. This is amazing and might make things like a chromebook much more viable for me and many other developers.

nickjj said 2 months ago:

If you don't mind installing Linux on your Chromebook you can run VSCode or anything you want natively.

I've been running GalliumOS on mine for years and it's superb. It might be the best $350 I ever spent. I wrote a huge review and write up of the process at: https://nickjanetakis.com/blog/transform-a-toshiba-chromeboo...

I would still get the same Chromebook today too if you can find one. That specific model happens to be a perfect storm of massive value / great specs at a low price.

paxys said 2 months ago:

This does exactly that. You can install whatever VS Code extensions, language servers and runtimes you want on your remote machine, and the local (web) IDE will use all of them as normal.

wungsten said 2 months ago:

Check out Eclipse Che

gbraad said 2 months ago:

To me Che is an Enterprise IDE, which integrates with the deployment platform. The majority of people just want an IDE in the browser, like c9 or vscode.

stanislavb said 2 months ago:

The phone number requirement pissed me off a bit.

chillee said 2 months ago:

Facebook does a lot of work like this for its internal development uses (also, when it used to open source Nuclide).

I think this is a good first step, but there's a lot more problems that are harder to solve than what this offers (and are what I'd consider the main problems that need to be solved...)

One example is language services. Integrating something like C++ autocomplete is difficult, and not something they seem to have done (looking at their page). The right way to do it is to run the C++ autocomplete on the server, and have some way of providing those suggestions over the connection to your local editor.

mmcallister said 2 months ago:

Where "some way" == the language server protocol[1]

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_Server_Protocol

chillee said 2 months ago:

Yeah, that's definitely the direction people seem to be moving towards.

LeanderK said 2 months ago:

shouldn't this be possible? I don't see why not?

mmcallister said 2 months ago:

Yes absolutely. I use LSP with VS Code every day. This solution shouldn't prevent me from continuing that

nhooyr said 2 months ago:

> The right way to do it is to run the C++ autocomplete on the server, and have some way of providing those suggestions over the connection to your local editor.

No need for integration. Its really up to a C++ plugin as this is just straight up VS Code.

arriu said 2 months ago:

This might be a ridiculous question but I'm looking for a way to do windows C++/C# development from a mac. Is there any chance this might allow such a workflow? Unfortunately, I need to access some pretty low level dll's that are not cross platform compatible at all.

I use a mac for all other development except for this project. I have nothing against windows, just looking to simplify my development workflow across all projects.

rcarmo said 2 months ago:

I work on a Mac all day, and besides VS Code/VS Mac I also use RDP extensively to my Surface. Set it to 16bit, use wired Ethernet, and it is as fast as native Windows rendering, even in Retina/HiDPI.

gbraad said 2 months ago:

Install a VM, share folders with the binary/source code.

You could keep it to .Net core, but this limits integration.

But the answer of RDP is not sarcastic... as it is probably the only way to get what you want.

alinspired said 2 months ago:

RDP to windows ?

Dangeranger said 2 months ago:

The other day I setup a version of this using Theia-IDE[0], which uses Monaco as the editor I believe. The project is open source (Apache-2.0) and has a strong community.

It would be a nice project to get a Docker service running where users could sign-up and get an instance with persistent storage for their projects.

[0] https://www.theia-ide.org/doc/

anton_kosyakov said 2 months ago:

Are you aware of Gitpod (https://www.gitpod.io/)? It's one-click online IDE for GitHub based on Theia. You can have as many workspaces as you want which are continuously replicated and never deleted, bring your own custom Docker image and it's free for open source development.

kstenerud said 2 months ago:

I just run a full remote mate based Ubuntu desktop that I connect to via chrome remote desktop or x2go. I made a quick script that I run inside a vps instance or container to build it:

https://github.com/kstenerud/ubuntu-dev-installer/blob/maste...

sscarduzio said 2 months ago:

I wish also IntelliJ Idea could do this. Very nice BTW.

HowardStark said 2 months ago:

This. If JetBrains launched a self-hosted remote IDE like this I would make that my daily driver in a heartbeat.

gbraad said 2 months ago:

I tried both Theia and Coder-com, but at the moment it seems Codercom comes closest to the actual VSCode feel. Theia has modified stuff to be better suited to use from a browser, but actually this took away from the customization options. I prefer to have minimal interface... and with codercom I can get close, except it still has a menubar to show.

lobo42 said 2 months ago:

True. The team is heavily aligning for over a month now. Next release will give you the VS Code look & feel.

gbraad said 2 months ago:

That would be killer. Looking forward to this...

bribri said 2 months ago:

I'm going to try baking all my dependencies for my language plugins and editor tools. Could be interesting with the built in terminal.

  FROM codercom/code-server
  RUN apt-get update
  RUN apt-get -y install curl gnupg
  RUN curl -sL https://deb.nodesource.com/setup_11.x  | bash -
  RUN apt-get -y install nodejs
kbumsik said 2 months ago:

I've been always looking for something like this. I used Cloud9 [1] for a moment but I gave up using this after Amazon acquired it. It's shame to look how a tech gaint destroyed a great product.

[1]: https://aws.amazon.com/cloud9/

reustle said 2 months ago:

I use cloud9 and am pretty happy with it. It lets you connect to any instance anywhere (I use ubuntu) and it works as expected. How do you feel like they destroyed it?

sirsuki said 2 months ago:

I have to say it because no one else has yet. Vim, Emac, Nano, Pico, etc. has been doing this with good ol' fashioned SSH decades before this. It fascinates me to see editors constantly reinvented over and over. Is text really that complicated?

throwaway20148 said 2 months ago:

Next time you should just assume someone has said it and move on without commenting.

jahewson said 2 months ago:

It fascinates me that people think that innovation should just have stopped dead in the late 1970s when all technology was apparently perfect.

naikrovek said 2 months ago:

If you can't see the difference between a text editor over ssh and a full IDE in a browser tab you need to seek medical attention; you may be having a serious stroke.

AlexCoventry said 2 months ago:

I don't think a tricked-out emacs config is missing many IDE features. What did you have in mind?

xiaodai said 2 months ago:

I want to see this work with Atom so bad. Cos, Julia's Juno is only on Atom.

kmundnic said 2 months ago:

I tried it out with Julia, for something reason it didn't recognize the syntax after installing the Julia extension...

xiaodai said 2 months ago:

can it run the Julia extension and execute the Julia code in the IDE?

activatedgeek said 2 months ago:

I've been using this on my remote workstation for the past week and is pretty cool! Still rough around the edges but works very well so far!

I've almost let go of IntelliJ in favor of this.

keyle said 2 months ago:

No pun intended... Is the point of this to run chrome locally to run a webkit instance on a remote server, with added latency?

kgwxd said 2 months ago:

It's an evil plot to greatly accelerate the heat death of the universe.

TheSpiciestDev said 2 months ago:

I can't find anything yet regarding debugging, I'm curious how that would work.

paxys said 2 months ago:

It doesn't yet.

dzhiurgis said 2 months ago:

Dreams of working over 2kbps satellite link (Iridium Go) - shattered.

croddin said 2 months ago:

It does look like you have to download a 10Mb js file, but once that is downloaded and cached, it uses a websocket to communicate with the server on the backend and only necessary text will be sent to the browser. I don't think the bandwidth requirements should be too much more than a terminal editor over ssh.

philonoist said 2 months ago:

Why would anybody use Atom even after this?

cstrat said 2 months ago:

I was going to say this is the same thing as coder.com, but this is their open source repo.

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ToFab123 said 2 months ago:

Why not just make a remote desktop / VCN connection to the server?

pfranz said 2 months ago:

More often than not, working seriously through vnc/remote desktop is miserable and a last resort. Some people don't seem to mind though. I'm curious if their productivity suffers? It works fine for checking on things, but it's a window-in-a-window, copy/paste never consistently works (no matter the server/client software), I haven't seen good solutions for audio, scaling/resolution, and bandwidth/latency vary greatly. It's made me get much better with ssh/terminal/vim and pushed me further away from an IDE. I can see a webapp being a decent compromise. I think most people are fine with Gdocs over Word/Excel.

sjellis said 2 months ago:

Teradici is really good, and amazingly efficient on bandwidth.

The Teradici company license their technology to other vendors: it's what AWS Workspaces uses.

pfranz said 2 months ago:

I tried it last year and Teradici seemed to work really well when you were in the same region (time zone-ish size area) or using an internal LAN with a decent connection. For low latency or low bandwidth situations VNC worked way better. VNC also had a lot more options for tuning. Another issue I had was that they had me set up a vpn for Teradici, while for vnc I'm just ssh tunneling the port.

sjellis said 2 months ago:

"vpn for Teradici"

This is probably why it wasn't so good. I've only used the AWS Workspaces client, which handles encryption, and that worked even on 4G connections.

morpheuskafka said 2 months ago:

VNC over the internet is not pretty. Plus X Windows has to be installed on what might otherwise be a headless server. Windows is lightyears ahead of Linux on remote desktop, so it would probably be fine on that.

fartcannon said 2 months ago:

SSH and VIM... since 1995. Best feature: no telemetry.

paxys said 2 months ago:

Transferring text data to power IDE functionality is a lot smoother and faster than streaming a full desktop over the internet.

bluedevilzn said 2 months ago:

Haven't tried it but I'm assuming it's much much smoother.

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